tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post8245666450199261893..comments2023-12-26T03:07:42.703+00:00Comments on Nah Then: Liberals and Evangelicals: the Coy and the CockyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-23712732909448237602008-01-06T20:51:00.000+00:002008-01-06T20:51:00.000+00:00Hi Glen,Yep, in some ways Glasgow is different, in...Hi Glen,<BR/><BR/>Yep, in some ways Glasgow is different, in others its not. So far, for example, the CofS is not about to split over the issue of ordination of gay clergy. Its interesting that one observation I have come across is that the evangelical/liberal divide is not so strong in England as in Scotland. But its just about to rip up the state church, so I guess its a pretty hot issue down south, too. As for the charismatic side of things...I kind of see what you are saying about it having lost its heat in terms of the debate within evangelicalism, as evangelicalism has now effectively been charismaticised. But in terms of the fact that pentecostalism worldwide is capturing the hearts of the poor and the doctrine of the baptism of the holy spirit and the charismatic gifts, I'm not sure this is an "issue" that has come and gone. <BR/><BR/>Of course, we can lose the heat and disbelieve in these things all over again, but I don't think that's what the Spirit is doing the world over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-2543981953895265762008-01-05T07:09:00.000+00:002008-01-05T07:09:00.000+00:00Paul, thanks for the observations. I guess things...Paul, thanks for the observations. <BR/><BR/>I guess things look significantly different in Glasgow to most other parts of the UK. <BR/><BR/>It's important to keep up the dialogue between the reflection of academe and the practice of real world ministry and mission.<BR/><BR/>I guess I am little less optimisitic about the possiblity of wholesale reform of evangelicalism and little more hopeful about the possibilitie offered by postmodernity. I reckon its a fair bet that there will be a split in the movement between a reactionary conservative wing and those on the left wing who are more positively predisposed to more open and modest expressions of the faith.<BR/><BR/>With regard to the charismatic and the holistic,from where I stand the former looks like old news, an issue that has lost a lot of its heat; the latter is more where it's at.<BR/><BR/>Will check out your blog and hopefully will get to meet at some UE event beore too much longer.<BR/><BR/>BTW check out Matt Wilson's blog (link in my side bar).Glen Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893819289223413110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-13402629011143546242007-12-30T00:23:00.000+00:002007-12-30T00:23:00.000+00:00Hi Glen. My name is Paul Ede and Esther, my wife,...Hi Glen. My name is Paul Ede and Esther, my wife, and I am team leaders up in Glasgow. Glasgow still has a strong cultural sectarianism, and has been strongly influenced by the Iona Community and George McLeod. The issue you're addressing here is one I've really been struggling with...how much and to what extent can we see David Bosch's vision outworked in reality in a concrete local community. Check out my recent posts at http://www.urbanexpression.org.uk/blog/paul_ede<BR/><BR/>At the moment, I'm not convinced we will ever see a genuine fusion of liberal/evangelical protestant Christianity, despite the hopes of some who see post-modernism as laying the seeds of this. <BR/><BR/>I just see the tensions as being too great at the moment for this to happen without folk converting to one camp or another...I dont think post-foundationalist philosophy and post-modernism is going to help us get there, either...maybe I'm just a cynic, but in actually tryong to plant a church, I feel that the practicalities severely challenge the visions of academia...<BR/><BR/>I am pretty convinced though that my tradition (evangelicalism) can get off its butt and get more holistic, though. And we really need to embrace the charismatic gifts, too...I'd like to see something like this develop in my context in Possilpark. <BR/><BR/>Its good to see someone else wrestling with these issue in BlogdomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com