tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post7733230639072570356..comments2023-12-26T03:07:42.703+00:00Comments on Nah Then: Baptist Assembly Day 2Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-89013082850363242102010-05-13T08:50:45.990+01:002010-05-13T08:50:45.990+01:00"Anonymous" just a quickie to let you kn..."Anonymous" just a quickie to let you know that I've done a new post on some of the issues that your raise.<br /><br />BTW I'd be the last to label you as a "raging fundamentalist" just because you seek to apply scripture.<br /><br />Thanks for chipping in.Glen Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893819289223413110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-77122214697335552832010-05-09T22:32:49.499+01:002010-05-09T22:32:49.499+01:00I'm surprised and disappointed to read critica...I'm surprised and disappointed to read critical comments on another minister's sermon/preach in this kind of forum. <br /><br />Is it positive and upbuilding to comment publicly on how you only heard negative things said (Ingrid's comment) and to post it on a public forum rather than feed it back to someone in person - and at the very least, in private in discussions between yourselves.<br /><br />To question someone's integrity in handling scripture when they have been asked to speak at a large gathering by denominational leaders I find surprising. <br /><br />Typecast me as a raging fundamentalist if you must, bit doesn't James 3 apply here?<br /><br />James 3<br /> 1Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check..and reading on.....!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-47479752066235490022010-05-05T09:45:23.189+01:002010-05-05T09:45:23.189+01:00Yup I'd go along with all that.
A sequence of...Yup I'd go along with all that.<br /><br />A sequence of questions. Are the communities we are seeking to form looking to be a more radical expression of discipleship than is typically found in the generality of our churches? If so does this mean bearing witness to a more radical and therefore more demanding understanding of the gospel? If so does this mean fewer people are likely to respond than would respond to a less radical gospel? If so is this a price worth paying? If so is there an inevitable tension between radicalism and popular appeal, between faithful witness and fruitful evangelism?Glen Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893819289223413110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-38466051956140570002010-05-05T07:37:55.060+01:002010-05-05T07:37:55.060+01:00I think the word 'transition' is the key. ...I think the word 'transition' is the key. It seems to me that what 'emerging church' is a label hung on a number of responses to the changes happening in culture to which affect the church. <br />It was a useful shorthand to describe changes that were bigger than merely tweaking the worship style of churches. But I think Pete is right that some elements of EC are no more culturally attuned than a hymn-prayer sandwich.<br />I am going to blog on this later so I'd be interested in your view on what I say.<br />Fundamentally, I guess I am more interested in seeing communities form that focus on helping people learn how to be disciples of Jesus. That's what we all want, it's just that I wonder if the inherited ways we have of doing this actually work.simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470335172330595542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-4894384644945147402010-05-04T18:37:34.132+01:002010-05-04T18:37:34.132+01:00THAT Tony Moreton! No, no relative, or not as far...THAT Tony Moreton! No, no relative, or not as far as I know, certainly resemblance judging by the picture on the dust cover.<br /><br />Yes I knew you were a journo (hence the wink).<br /><br />Re worship model I think we are in transition both in the colleges (or at least here) and in contemporary culture. Still think that the jury's out on whether or not alt worship type stuff is the future. What do you make of Pete Ward's question the the emerging church movement asking if ec is as in tune with contemp culture as they claim then how come the movement attracts so few people? (That's not a criticism dressed up as a question, I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.)Glen Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893819289223413110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-31737633729754487682010-05-04T18:09:53.682+01:002010-05-04T18:09:53.682+01:00Tony Moreton was part of Harvestime (the Bryn Jone...Tony Moreton was part of Harvestime (the Bryn Jones grouping) based in Southampton in the 1970s and 80s. I was a journo myself so am glad to come across people who can write!<br /><br />I agree with you about dialogue and monologue achieving different things and therefore both being valid.<br /><br />I guess my concern with colleges is that we could be training people for a model that is passing away and where would thast leave us?simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470335172330595542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-48844629132529408312010-05-04T17:41:44.516+01:002010-05-04T17:41:44.516+01:00Simon
Without doubt the old model still dominates...Simon<br /><br />Without doubt the old model still dominates here at LKH though some of us are seeking to critique it, some from the perspective of postmodernity and postchristendom, some offering a feminist critique.<br /><br />I must stress that my observation was entirely at a gut level. It's the way I feel when I visit Sanctus1 and how I used to feel when we had our own alt worship service in Wakefield. Also the observation relates more to worship in general rather than engagement with The Bible when I'm completely at home with a more dialogical approach while also wanting to leave room for a good piece of monological oratory. I think they achieve different things.<br /><br />Tony Moreton? Dunno. Who he? Cole is a journo (but don't let that put you off ;-) ) who has written for the Church Times and The Independant among others.Glen Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893819289223413110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-34763691363850085392010-05-04T17:30:32.718+01:002010-05-04T17:30:32.718+01:00Don't get me wrong I think Karl was far from f...Don't get me wrong I think Karl was far from flawless. I wasn't wild about the substance of his interpretation but I did think he tried to work with the text rather than ignoring it as many do. Don't think the thrust of what he had to say was at odds with text. I'll settle for that when it comes with confident, and highly competent communication skills. Oratorical flare is not everything but it is more significant than many are prepared to allow for.Glen Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893819289223413110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-52021512485816507862010-05-04T17:28:43.763+01:002010-05-04T17:28:43.763+01:00Glad you made it to Prism, Glen, and gave it a try...Glad you made it to Prism, Glen, and gave it a try. I thought lucy was brilliant (one of many highlights at this year's Prism, i felt).<br />You're comment on alt worship is interesting. I guess it's what I feel about sitrting in rows and listening to a single person speak and tell me what to sing and what to do next. It doesn't work for me.<br />I guess I'd love to know how much such an approach features on the syllabus of our training institutions and how we're forming women and men to lead people in a variety of expressions of how we relate to God and learn the faith. I sense that we're still wedded to the face-the-front-and-litsen-carefully model. I wonder if that's up-to-snuff for today's world...<br />Thanks for the tip on Cole Moreton's book. Is he related to Tony Moreton?simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470335172330595542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-56419196026185001432010-05-04T16:39:23.342+01:002010-05-04T16:39:23.342+01:00Karl communicates well but I struggle to find an e...Karl communicates well but I struggle to find an excuse for his comments about sons / bride of Christ since he clearly recognised the issue but choose to ignore it.<br /><br />Listening to him on Satuday I was far from convinced that he was engaging with the text at anything more than a superficial level. The session was entitled 'Bible Study' but was Karl's talk a fair reflection of what the text says, the force of the writers argument or an application of it?Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06263966817225054505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-69365336739469821812010-05-04T13:29:21.083+01:002010-05-04T13:29:21.083+01:00Glen, Sorry I didn't bump into you at the Ass...Glen, Sorry I didn't bump into you at the Assembly :).<br /><br />I'm interested in your comments on Karl's sermon. I saw an entirely different side to it to you. Funny yes. Attentive to scripture, I'm not so sure. He is certainly working from a different model of cultural engagement to me!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15118599272448613150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-44535883243175711442010-05-04T13:18:36.698+01:002010-05-04T13:18:36.698+01:00I know what you mean about that comment (although ...I know what you mean about that comment (although he throw in a comment about blokes having to cope with being the bride of christ, which yes, I know, is no justification)I just reckon it's a shame to allow that to obliterate all that was good about it.<br /><br />I bought Lucy's book and there's loads of good stuff in it, not nearly as patchy as many poetry books tend to be.Glen Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893819289223413110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6949629946811250058.post-16753240363909487392010-05-04T12:24:13.179+01:002010-05-04T12:24:13.179+01:00I didn't hear Karl Martin myself but the only ...I didn't hear Karl Martin myself but the only thing I heard was how down-hearted/irritated people (men and women) were by his 'you're sons get over it' comment.<br /><br />Lucy Berry's poem on sending out missionaries should be read on main stage every year as people are being sent out - amazing.Ingridnoreply@blogger.com